Keira calmly said: Oh, that was probably me. I still blush to the tips of my toes when I think about it. The same countries demanded immediate answers from the British government about its involvement in the spying. Questioner: It was so heartening to hear you talk about that hero's journey because I feel like we so often take compassion, passion, integrity for granted as a call to action. Hood said that this was a purposeful choice by Knightley. This is a special case because this story is very little-known in the United States. The other was Coleen Rowley, former FBI special agent and counsel at the Minneapolis bureau, who blew the whistle on FBI and other shortcomings Id never seen anything like it. And those two are great actresses. I didnt know the story and I googled her. Had the film appeared any earlier, however, I dont think Id have been able to watch it, let alone help the makers. Marcia Mitchell is a writer, researcher, and the author of "The Spy Who Tried to Stop a War: Katharine Gun and the Secret Plot to Sanction the Iraq Invasion." And it's a tough profession in many ways. Americans find it hard to believe that it could happen, but it happens, it happens fast. Despite the millions affected by the Iraq War, its now far removed from British and American news cycles, displaced from the headlines by todays political turmoil. And maybe if we went to work for Enron and we liked our job well enough, and its a job. But get out of that trailer as fast as possible, get onto the set, and work from inside? Or, in this case, when the Office of Special Plans was set up, youve got Feith and someone like Abram Shulsky, whose philosophy of intelligence is very different. Did that change your approach to presenting the film knowing that this was actually going to be somewhat of a surprise to people? David Dayen: No problem. Gavin Hood: I asked her the same questions, and on about my second day interviewing her, I said to her, because I wasnt sure if I should make the movie; I mean, I needed to know whose story I was telling and if she was batshit crazy. WebGun was followed, denied legal advice and her Turkish husband faced deportation. WebHer late husband, Tom, a former special agent of the FBI and one-time head of counter-intelligence in New York, co-authored the Gun story. Then, the following November, after eight months of worry, I was finally charged. She talks about having read all these books [about the war]. [In real life] I saw the email, I immediately thought, 'Oh, my God, this is shocking.' This content is imported from youTube. The story of Katharine Gun, a whistle-blower who exposed NSA spying in the lead-up to the Iraq War, gets the Hollywood treatment. Then, the following Monday, I printed out a copy of the email, folded it up, and tucked it carefully in my bag. A manufactured provocation. Meanwhile, Kamal Ahmed, who is the guy at The Observer, is now the editorial director of the BBC. Some called her a traitor; others Gun disclosed details of the spying operation as it was happening to stop something she viewed as terrible happening in the future. Was the British government aware of it? ", Join half a million readers enjoying Newsweek's free newsletters, Keira Knightley's Birthday: Her 15 Best Movies Ranked, In the film, when Gun is sent an email from someone high up in the U.S. government that reveals the U.S. covert plan, she decides to leak it to Bright, who works for the British newspaper, Keira Knightley as Katharine Gun in "Official Secrets. As the working day came to close, I tried to project a sense of calm I didnt feel, walked out of the gates and put the incriminating email in the post. This was her first or second week at the paper. And that's quite a depressing place to find yourself in when you feel so strongly and passionately about something. So WMD may not have been as important, had they gotten that resolution. Rishi Sunak is urgently reviewing his private exchanges with Matt Hancock after bombshell leak of ex-Health 'Drinks cold in fridge at DH!' I don't think I've ever met a more determined character and she remained utterly convinced of the justice of her cause: "There's nothing subsequent to the invasion that makes me think it was the right decision made by Bush and Blair." "There seems to be this blas attitude the spying goes on, everyone does it and so it's nothing to get all hot under the collar about. Jack Straw, then the foreign secretary, has not been challenged on whether he authorised the operation to go ahead, although it is almost certain that he did. Then the most almighty cacophony erupted, a roar so loud we could barely hear to speak. I admitted the leak and my life was turned upside down. Gun said that the UK government still had some explaining to do: "I thinkthere need to be more questions asked about whether they responded to that request, why they felt it was within their scope of work to respond to that sort of request, and what is the manner of the relationship between UK politics and US politics. After a police interview, at which I repeated my admission, I was released on bail to await the decision of the Crown Prosecution Service. But the invasion was forced to proceed with the backing of Bushs coalition of the willinginstead of with the support of the United Nations. The memo from Frank Koza, chief of staff at the "regional targets" section of the National Security Agency, GCHQ's sister organisation in the US, remains shocking in its implications for British sovereignty. WebKeira Knightley stars in this true story about Katharine Gun, a British intelligence officer who exposed the US government's efforts to force the UN Security Council to sanction the We started working on this three years ago and even then it felt relevant in the sense that the challenges we talked about earlier: Where does my loyalty lie? And if, 16 years ago, you had told me that one day my life story would be portrayed by Keira Knightley, Id have laughed and changed the subject. I answered an advert in The Guardian newspaper for a translator. 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By printing off the memo, putting it in her handbag and taking it home, she was already committing a serious breach of the Official Secrets Act. To look at someone who I thought was quite accessible and ordinaryand she doesn't mind me saying this because Katharine is someone who keeps her head below and is quiet, and did something extraordinary. Ive been impressed by the film-makers determination to stick to the facts Gavin Hood, the director, interviewed me at length over five days and I was consulted throughout the process. So thank you for being here, it means a lot. His work has appeared in The Intercept, The New Republic, HuffPost, The Washington Post, the Los Angeles Times, and more. Gavin Hood: Keira is wonderful and is absolutely professional, arrives perfectly prepared, very calm, no fuss. Is this a matter of threatening to launch a war, or is it a matter of responding to the US positioning itself for war? His exact words to describe the intelligence method is, The goal of the intelligence is not the truth, but victory. That is a quote from Shulsky. A decade on, sitting in a cafe in Cheltenham, not far from GCHQ, I asked her if she still stood by what she had done. Cheering crowds have never been my sort of thing. WebAttempts were made by the authorities to deport her husband, who grew disillusioned with Britain. You are sitting in the intelligence services, and Ive spoken to many now because Ive made other films in that world and I have some interesting folks that Ive been able to talk to, and the struggle was were being disloyal if you dont toe a party line, as it were, but we know this isnt right. The email, which was sent by an American NSA official, suggested that the US was just as well aware that it couldnt earn UN support through valid arguments alone: The memo outlined a plan to bug diplomats from non-permanent UN Security Council Nations Chile, Pakistan, Bulgaria, Guinea, Angola, and Cameroon in search of intelligence that could be used to cajole and possibly even blackmail them into supporting the invasion. He is wonderfully articulate but super pissed off, and his PTSDbecause hes been in Iraq for yearsmanifests at just disdain for that certain person you mentioned. One is kind of what I thought it was, which is the CIA is the Central Intelligence Agency, walled off from politicians and the executive in a perfect world, where all the intelligence comes in, they analyze it and they then present their best intelligence estimates; this is pre-war, youre not at war, to the executive branch. Questioner: The only thing that I've wondered while watching the film, since it's a true story, is how could Ms. Gunn, who was a spy, who was a member of an intelligence agency, be surprised when her husband got deportedor when the government came after her husband, how could she be surprised when all of the different reactions she got came forward? She hoped that if people know about the lengths to which theyve gone to legitimize an invasion of Iraq, then it would blow apart, and people will suddenly think, No, this isnt right, and the whole house of cards would come tumbling down.. I was suddenly free and bewildered. Gavin Hood: Yes, it really sticks in my throat too. One by one, all those who received the email approximately 100 people were taken in for a grilling. But I talk to people and there does seem to be a sense of failure that, despite all the campaigning and all the marching and all the protesting and everything they did, it made not a ha'porth of difference. Just occasionally "But that's partly my own fault because I haven't aggressively pursued a career. Sometimes movies can be an effective way to make forgotten stories part of our national narrative, and in that sense, Official Secrets comes not a moment too soon. As it was, a second UN resolution directly to authorise war against Iraq never materialised and air strikes began on 19 March 2003. If if wasnt, what does that mean for the rule of law? As the Trump administration shreds norms of American governance like a Shih Tzu going to town on a roll of toilet paper, the last worst president is largely silent, busied with .css-umdwtv{-webkit-text-decoration:underline;text-decoration:underline;text-decoration-thickness:.0625rem;text-decoration-color:#FF3A30;text-underline-offset:0.25rem;color:inherit;-webkit-transition:background 0.4s;transition:background 0.4s;background:linear-gradient(#ffffff, #ffffff 50%, #d5dbe3 50%, #d5dbe3);-webkit-background-size:100% 200%;background-size:100% 200%;}.css-umdwtv:hover{color:#000000;text-decoration-color:border-link-body-hover;-webkit-background-position:100% 100%;background-position:100% 100%;}canine portraiture and now the subject of nearly fond nostalgia. Gavin Hood: Its a great question. That would be awkward. ", As for her own story, she recognises that 10 years on it scarcely registers with the public. She now has a four-year-old daughter who she is bringing up in Turkey. By the time Gun and around 100 of her colleagues received the emailed memo that would change her life, she had already come to the conclusion that the arguments for war with Iraq were not really valid arguments, she tells me. His most recent book is Monopolized: Life in the Age of Corporate Power.. David Dayen: And you were dealing with a story that was about a leak that didn't stop a war and leading to a trial that didn't happen. And I did the same for the journalists and the lawyers and everybody. David Dayen: How did you think Keira Knightley was an asset in showing that emotional journey throughout the movie? The truth is that I didnt know who Katharine Gun was until my producer Ged Doherty called me up one day, we made Eye In The Sky together, and said, Have you ever heard of Katharine Gun? Thats one of those moments where you think: Sounds like I ought to have, but I hadnt. But George W. Bush did something that, thankfully, Trump hasnt pulled off yet: He took us to war. Whistleblower Katherine Gun, right, is played by Keira Knightly in the movie Official Secrets, Gun was outraged after she learned - as part of her job with GCHQ - that the United States wanted Britain to assist in spying on fellow United Nations Security Council members to win a vote in favour of a planned war in Iraq. Gavin Hood: Thats such an interesting statement, I mean, I just took it at face value that papers take an editorial position, but youre right. We are no longer accepting comments on this article. It's tough, the laws here are even stricter than in the UK. We must not be flummoxed by exaggerated claims of threats against America and our interests. "On the one hand, she's free. It was written in technical language, but the meaning was clear enough: the Americans were asking around 100 people in GCHQ to gather information from the communications made by diplomats from six nations Angola, Bulgaria, Cameroon, Chile, Guinea and Pakistan all which were then sitting on the United Nations Security Council. So she said, Can I just do nothing with my hair, put on the jeans like Katharine wore? So the wardrobe is accurate to Katharine's style. However, Gun added that this was nothing on the anxiety she felt when the memo she had leaked ended up on the front page of The Observer, which she called "the most stressful memo of my life. As the title of the film script suggests, she was "The Spy Who Tried to Stop a War". Progressive values. Maybe that was naive, but she didn't think that. When do the clocks change in 2023? In the film, when Gun is sent an email from someone high up in the U.S. government that reveals the U.S. covert plan, she decides to leak it to Bright, who works for the British newspaper The Observer, which then publishes it on their front page. She got into a plea bargain, they still gave her five years. When Official Secrets received its British premiere at Londons BFI Film Festival earlier this month, I was determined to wear something that held a special meaning and settled on a dress by an Iraqi designer. And it's not an easy question, it sounds easy, but I don't think it is. Not good enough, the trio decided. I was called on to look this way and that and smile until my face was stiff. Most directly, it bolstered opposition to the US position from Chilean and Mexican diplomats weary of American "dirty tricks". David Dayen: One thing I think you depict really brilliantly in this story is what the climate was like at the time. Katharine Gun, former intelligence specialist turned whistleblower, discusses the new film "Official Secrets" which details why she leaked a classified memo. As a result of the story the paper published 10 years ago this weekend, she was arrested, lost her job and faced trial under the Official Secrets Act. Her story, which reveals what a country will do when it wants war and claims it does not, is told in an updated book and a major motion picture soon to be released--Official Secrets (Keira Knightly is Katharine). Over the weekend, I got to work. I was glad to get back to what I hoped would be normality, but the effect on me had been traumatising. This whole intelligence didn't match what the politicians were saying. Now someone else may beI don't know if I could hack people's phones and computers, personally. Iran, of course, isn't interested in dealing with him. Iran has been filmed loading missiles aboard some of its vessels. It was what I was thinking, what I was feeling. We have a blondish-looking Katharine. "I think part of the reason Gavin included it was just to kind of share that thought process.". With the operation blown, the chances of George W Bush and Tony Blair getting the consensus for a direct UN mandate for war were now near zero. Even though she didn't stop the war and some people are like what's the point if she didn't stop the warwell, the point is how do you sleep at night? After the initial flurry of media interest, I was left to figure out how to move on with my life and that proved hard. A transcript, lightly edited with explainers where necessary, follows. Or at least, she could have been. We need a truth-sayer. Daniel Ellsberg, the celebrated American whistleblower who leaked the Pentagon Papers about the build-up to the war in Vietnam, described it as "the most important and courageous leak I have ever seen".He added: "No one else including myself has ever done what Katharine Gun did: tell secret truths at personal risk, before an imminent war, in time, possibly, to avert it.". The legal case against Gun was eventually dropped by the British government in 2004, after her lawyer, Ben Emmerson QC (played in the film with fabulous charisma by Ralph Fiennes), threatened to use disclosure to put the legal basis of the war itself on trial. She was charged I was arrested for a breach of section one of the Official Secrets Act 1989 and held overnight in a cell in the basement of the Cheltenham Police headquarters. Liberty, the civil rights organisation, and Ben Emmerson QC had already agreed to defend me and we prepared for trial. It should take the facts as they lead. Donald Trump also is saying he doesn't want war, which is probably true. ", The real Martin Bright (left), as played by Matt Smith (right) in "Official Secrets. Across the world, millions protested the invasion of Iraq, doing their own small parts to attempt to prevent the war. The email was demonstrating the depths to which the American and British governments would descend in order to get spurious legal cover for a war in the Middle East which would have utterly catastrophic consequences, as we know to our cost today. I even thought, naively, Id be able to keep my anonymity. Spoilers to follow as well. Exaggerating threats to provoke a war? Was it because we had demanded the Attorney Generals legal advice as part of my defence? It is to say that a government, for its own reasons may, either by design or through miscalculation, lead a country into an unnecessary and brutal war. [U.S. media dropped the story because the Drudge Report noted that the NSA memo in The Observer had British spellings for words like favourable, which nobody in the U.S. would write. To donate by check, phone, or other method, see our More Ways to Give page. But Katharine Gun, whos now the subject of a new film, the Gavin Hood-directed Official Secrets, did a lot moreand became one of the most important political whistleblowers that most Americans have never heard of. Which really, really, really happened. Its Straussian, over the top and pretentious but basically amounts to this. Before 1989, there had been a Public Interest Defence to protect whistleblowers, but that was altered amid the furore surrounding the sinking of the Argentinian Navy cruiser, the General Belgrano, in the course of the Falklands War. Then, the world is safer until the sequel when it all happens again. Us, in any situation, wherever you work, I thought that's what this timeless about it. Gun had, of course, been forced to abandon her career in the civil service And it was there that, to our amazement and totally without warning, the CPS dropped the charges before the trial had even started. By Katharine Gun, Gchq Whistleblower For The Mail On Sunday, Published: 22:33 GMT, 26 October 2019 | Updated: 16:47 GMT, 8 November 2019. I was 27 when it all began. It was the first time I had worked with characters who were still alive, and they very much wanted it to be accurate or they wouldn't sign over their life rights. So that's who's running this show. The decision to leak it was almost instant I felt I had no choice. Two hours later after this deep dive, I called Ged back and said, How come we dont know this story? I guess the answer to that is that her story was big news for the day, and then very quickly got crushed by a bigger story, which was the story of the invasion. They live on a smallholding, renting a house, in rural Turkey. That seems like the central undercurrent that is playing throughout the entire film. But there's no way I would have expressed that to any of my colleagues," Gun explained. Im gratified, too, that the film shows the love and support my husband gave me throughout this ordeal. Yet I do think Keira perfectly captures the strain I was under, the isolation and fear. So, she began to feel uncomfortable in the work she was doing at that point. As a film of her story is planned, she tells of her anger and frustration but not her regrets, Original reporting and incisive analysis, direct from the Guardian every morning, Katharine Gun back in Cheltenham last week: 'This is the ugly truth of what goes on.' (Photo by Scott Barbour/Getty Images). British Secret Service Officer Katharine, then a young bride, risked everything to leak details of the Bush-Blair plan to coerce (possibly blackmail) members of the UN Security Council in order to win their votes to legalize invading Iraq. Such a law is not compatible with openness, transparency, accountability and justice. The difficulties of translating Gun's story also made writing the climax of the film tricky. Her husband said its a job, its just a goddamn job, I work at a caf. He was actually gone for three days. We typically, in the movie business, ever since Joseph Campbell wrote The Hero of A Thousand Facesand Im not meaning to be sarcastic because thats a great piece of work, but it spoiled the idea that every development executive is reading these books because the hero we meet and then something upsets their world and the antagonist that must equal the hero, and eventually we go through these loops and the hero triumphs in the end. To legitimize an invasion and get rid of Saddam, a new UN Security Council resolution, going beyond SC1441 and specifically sanctioning the invasion, was the answer. What we have in this country is very precious, and in a sense, when I make these kind of films I don't know if I consciously do it, it's actually reminding about us that authoritarianism and governments gone awry are not okay, and what makes us strongoh, that sounds terribly pretentious, but I think you see where I'm coming from. The only thing that we altered in that is that I didnt have time to tell it for as long as it went on. There it was spotted by Debs Paterson, director of the critically acclaimed Africa United, who met Katharine Gun last week with a view to making the film of her life. Gun made the choice to leak the document, which Martin Bright of The Observer in Britain published in a story on March 2, 2003. According to the Guardian, President Bush visits the National Security Agency in Fort Meade, Maryland, January 25, 2006. It turned out a copyeditor at The Observer had run the memo through spellcheck before printing it.]. You can look up Nicole Mowbray, she wrote an article in The Guardian a couple weeks ago, about this worst day of her life. Weve said it before: The greatest threat to democracy from the media isnt disinformation, its the paywall. Maybe thats rewarding. Only later did I appreciate the extent to which the journalists involved Martin Bright, Peter Beaumont and Ed Vulliamy had to go in order to prove that the email was legitimate. I didn't plan to have this movie out today and know what was going to be going on. But I do want to give her credit that I think I didn't do her justice enough in the moment that she leaked that memo; it changed so quickly to war that we don't really get a moment to absorb the fact that as a result of her leaking that memo, there was no vote at the UN Security Council. This is not to say that Iran does not have a trick up its sleeve, or that wild-eyed Iranian hawks aren't circling its leaders. "Because I think people see thatthe leaders of both the US and the UK conceivably could be considered war criminals, and yet they are walking free.". In the matter of a few years. Hearst Magazine Media, Inc. All Rights Reserved. But, maybe if I didn't know and maybe if I went into that job and discovered oh my God, maybe I really can stop a terrorist attack today. [Ahmed is depicted in the film as strongly pro-war, resistant to running stories that conflict with his opinion.]. So somehow in my rolodex, sometimes they sought me out. He said: "Very close. Six months later they released Nelson Mandela. Throughout her own court case, whatonly a few knew wasthat she was also fighting for the right of her husband, who is from Turkey, to remain in the UK. The paper had taken the controversial decision to back intervention in Iraq. My job had been to listen to Chinese communications, translate them from Mandarin to English and produce reports for different government departments. 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